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talk about afghanistan. the thing that confused or upset me, a lot of people with questions about afghanistan, even after the phased withdrawal, he'll end his presidency with substantially more troop there's than when we went in and it's very hard to see people on any side who can really define what success looks like. i know you've reported extensively on this for your books and "the post" and what do you make of it at this point? >> it's very -- if you step back, it's very unusual what the president's done here. he said we're going to start withdrawing before the end of the war. and if you get military leaders on sodium pen thal truth sear yum and say, ho do you really feel like this, they say, we'll go along because he's the commander in chief. they are dumbfounded that we had a strategy, and an objective, namely, counterinsurgency. protect the people, nation-bidding in nation-bi nation-building in afghanistan. we've gone to a strategy, really, let's get out. so maybe it's going to work, but it could back
talk about afghanistan. the thing that confused or upset me, a lot of people with questions about afghanistan, even after the phased withdrawal, he'll end his presidency with substantially more troop there's than when we went in and it's very hard to see people on any side who can really define what success looks like. i know you've reported extensively on this for your books and "the post" and what do you make of it at this point? >> it's very -- if you step back, it's very...
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we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it worse. look at their policies and views. >> john, you're key. i want to end it with that note. it's brilliant. it's about the next four years, it's not the blame game. who do you have confidence in to lead the country out of the situation we are now. thank you so much jonathan and alex wagner for tutoring me rather crudely. let me finish with -- we're going to have a birthday tribute to nancy reagan for the reasons she was a moderating force on that man next to her. you're watching "hardball." >>> let me finish with a birthday tribute to an american who made a difference. her name is nancy reagan. she was our
we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it...
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we saw it with afghanistan. and iraq in terms of the timetable. when are we getting out. we saw it in the compromises on the bush tax cuts. we have seen this pattern in which democrats are put in the position to having to be the adults in the conversation, and trying to hold things together, and now we are back at that point. if you look at that pattern of concession and then compromise to the middle, and the democrats having to bear the burden politically for those decisions, it might be a trial balloon, but there is a pattern that indicates that social security and medicare are on the table. and that is why we reacted the way we did. this shouldn't be on the table. we have reached a no mass point here. that democrats should never support this. we have to be solid and independent, regardless of what those negotiations with the administration produce. >> in terms of what you described there as bearing the political burden here, that is one of the strategic questions that i have. and this may be clearer to you from washington than i can see it from here. but it seems to me
we saw it with afghanistan. and iraq in terms of the timetable. when are we getting out. we saw it in the compromises on the bush tax cuts. we have seen this pattern in which democrats are put in the position to having to be the adults in the conversation, and trying to hold things together, and now we are back at that point. if you look at that pattern of concession and then compromise to the middle, and the democrats having to bear the burden politically for those decisions, it might be a...
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many of us who voted for it who were against the iraq war, were against credit card funding of the afghanistan war, we're against what congress voted for, americans voted for it and we have to pay our bills. >> congressional members said they met with the president a month ago and they asked him, are you going to throw us under the bus? and they're telling me tonight they were thrown under the bus. do you feel that way? >> you know what, what i'm hoping is this. when the president is talking about medicare and social security, it's about making medicare and social security strong, survivable and sustainable. and when president reagan and speaker o'neal, democrat and republican, joined hands on social security, it was about making it stronger. it wasn't about raiding social security to cover tax cuts for the rich. so that's the real question. there is enormous anxiety. >> why are we even talking about this when you've got 80% of the american people who don't want to go down this road? >> there are two interpretations. number one, we shouldn't be doing it, because medicare should be discussed on
many of us who voted for it who were against the iraq war, were against credit card funding of the afghanistan war, we're against what congress voted for, americans voted for it and we have to pay our bills. >> congressional members said they met with the president a month ago and they asked him, are you going to throw us under the bus? and they're telling me tonight they were thrown under the bus. do you feel that way? >> you know what, what i'm hoping is this. when the president...
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. >> listen, i can tell you what is going on in afghanistan, and iraq and pine valley. >> this makes a well-rounded human being. >> and speaking of well-rounded human being. keenan cahill, you remember the internet sensation who lip synced with the likes of 50 cent and katy perry? well, he has a new video out and this time with the "glee" stars. take a look at this guy. ♪ it is a blacked out blur ♪ but i'm pretty sure ♪ it rules ♪ last friday night ♪ you will be dancing to the ♪ drums >> you are looking at some new cast regulars there on who joined cahill during a "glee" arena, and if you are wondering how this whole thing came together, he was as i did some research the 27th most subscribed youtube channel on youtube, and so he has a following and he is pitching a tv show. >> but he looks like an entertaining character, but he has a huge following on youtube. and 29 best rated channels. >> yes. and one thing i love about him is he has no shame. half of the time, he doesn't know all of the with words to the song he is lip syncing to, but he is fun to watch. >> yes, he is
. >> listen, i can tell you what is going on in afghanistan, and iraq and pine valley. >> this makes a well-rounded human being. >> and speaking of well-rounded human being. keenan cahill, you remember the internet sensation who lip synced with the likes of 50 cent and katy perry? well, he has a new video out and this time with the "glee" stars. take a look at this guy. ♪ it is a blacked out blur ♪ but i'm pretty sure ♪ it rules ♪ last friday night ♪ you...
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afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many years, tunisia is a bright star. egypt is not going to be a democracy in the way we know it. yemen is a huge problem. libya, who knows. i think there's progress that's been made here. i agree there's a lot of countries not making progress. syria, who knows what's going to happen. there will be real gains. >> i kind of agree with governor dean. in yemen, if we have what you describe, the potential for ungovernable state, it will become a petri dish of groups. they may be highly dysfunctional, but not failed. how does the u.s. not send som
afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many...